Religion, Take Two

Nerameshu

I know, but that's part of my personal beliefs. Now I'm informing you.

Point is, there were bones found for dinosaurs and ancient bodies that were preserved perfectly have been discovered. That is evidence that they existed.

And even Christians shouldn't deny it. There is no mention of a reace before humans in the Bible.

Then again, maybe you aren't Christian. I remember something about Yah...

Sejimaru

yea, i'm not christain, but look at this, don't you think its possible that those bones and bodies are fake? and were placed at certain spots? cause if there were so many dinosaurs why aren't there bones being found everywere? and why aren't frozen cavemen being dug up in groups?

Nerameshu

Because the ones that were found where the ones that survived! Cavemen usually stayed in groups, yes, but in caves, just as their name suggests. The cavmen, or -women, who are found elsewhere may have been banished or exiled, albeit kind of primitively, from the group. And dino-bones? They get turned into the gas that fuels both our cars and the American Economy!

And what do you believe anyway? Just curious.

Plato2

Hey guys, lets not do the religion thing again. Last time was not at all pleasent. Mass, Dinosaur bones are not a world wide, multi-government conspiracy to shake people's religious beliefs. I will not prove that statement unless you ask me to.

If you insist on having humans with no dinosaurs, I have an alternate idea. If we assume god rules over many planets, then some of the planets would have life. Lets assume for now that 64 million years ago, none of the life on any planet was "intelligent". God decided to make a creature in his image, and decided to use Earth. He gets rid of the dinosaurs with some sort of natural disaster, then waits for conditions to improve. When the time is right, he does the whole Adam, Eve thing, and boom, humans. The reason this is not mentioned in the bible is that god didn't tell any of the writers of the gospel this story because it was unrelated to humans.

There, how is that?

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Kayko Sagouro

how about this. it is true that not very many human skeletons have been found from the dinosaur period, and that cave-people lived in familial groups, but there is a good reason for the lack of evidence.

1. Time period: most of the humans lived long after the dinosaurs died. The major groups didn't even start to develop until after the ice age had ended in most regions.

2. Exposure: the early humans did not bury their dead. The most that they would ever do is perhaps cover the body with skins or move it to a cave or forested area, thus leaving the body exposed to the elements, causing it to deteriorate quickly, or be torn apart by animals.

3. Time: you leave a body lying somewhere for a few hundred thousand years, and something is bound to happen to it, it's that simple..

Sejimaru

The thing is, in the bible the first thing said isn't just that God created adam and eve, the first thing was that there was nothing, a dark void basicly, no light just darkness, so if in the beginning there was nothing how could dino's be there, and also after the nothing, God started to create the living things as we know them now, then us, not Dinos, the the living creatures we know now, then us.

and also, what do you mean what do i believe nera? :S

Nerameshu

Well, on the other site, you always referred to Yah. Now, you're referring to God. I was just asking what religious affliation you claim.

And second, science is proving more and more of the Bible wrong. Proof? The dino bones most people don't beleive are real. In that case, cancer, small pox, the flu, the cold, chicken pox, measles, etc., are not real, and all the immunizations that we receive to combat those diseases are just the Devil's work! In that case, everybody, including the hard core Christians already have the mark of the Beast. One day, people who do not have the immunizations will be outcast from society, for fear of catching the diseases that may fester in those people's bodies. For instance, a child cannot attend school until all the immunizations have been recieved. Sign, any one?

Your move.

Sejimaru

Sorry nera, in not upset or mad but, what the HECK are u talkin bout?XD

and i have no religion at all, and i said God cause u guys do, i say Yah, even tho we are talkin bout the same person.

Plato2

OK, the bible says that god created the earth, and it was good. He created the animals, and they were good. Then, god creates man, and he says "Don't touch the fruit." (there is a joke in there somewhere.) What I am trying to say is that the bible is not specific on the time period between making the animals and making man. While to humans 64 million years is a long time, to God it's hardly anything. So maybe something went on between those two actions, and he didn't feel it was necessary to tell us.

Sejimaru

..Ah no, read the bible correctly, u'll see there is no room for dino's.

Nerameshu

What I was talking about, Mass, was the "Mark of the Beast" that everyone's worried about.

And Plato, I hafta side with Mass on that note. According to the Bible, God created the animals after He created Adam, then pulled Eve out of Adam's side. (Not to be sacreligious, but that's about how it happened.) According to the Bible, there are dinosaurs. Then again, according to the Bible, there is no planet other than Earth, and there is definately no other "galaxy" in existence.

Sejimaru

im not saying that other planets don't exist, nor am i saying the universe doesn't exist, (we have proof it does) but dino's...no.

Plato2

Dinosaurs exist. I really didn't want to have to prove this, but fine. Dinosaurs bones have been found on every continent, including Antarctica. They have been found for over two hundred years. They have probably been found long before then, but just weren't called dinosaurs.

No then, if dinosaurs didn't exist, then we have to consider how scientists have convinced the entire world that they do. Scientists would have to be planting bones throughtout the planet. This would require huge amounts of money that they can't get. It would require government involvement. Now then, in the 18th century, government was still very connected with religion, including the US. There would be no reason for government to support a conspiracy that was contrary to religion.

Now then, if we assume that the government was not informed by the scientists that dinosaurs are fake, then they would be able to get funding for a while. But now a days, they are given a lot more money by the government and private orginizations. These orginizations make their own investigations about what goes on at the dig sites. The government is really careful when finding out how it's research money is being spent. They wouldn't be able to keep up the illusion in this day and age.

To conclude this defense of the past existence of dinosaurs, I would like to talk about the trouble that scientists would have to go to. Scientists have gone digging in really remote places in search for bones. New technology has been invented to look for the bones. Men have died looking for these bones. One final point, there has been some killing over who discovered what bones. Scientists, who all now that dinosaurs are fake, would not kill each other over fake bones. So Mass, while I can't prove that dinosaurs bones aren't fake, I can prove that they can't be fake. By logical connection, dinosaur bones are not fake. (this is a common process for mathmaticians.)

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Sejimaru

ok sounds good but, how do you know bones have been found for over 200 years? and the goverment has HUGE money so making bones is nothing, plus the fact some bones they say the "found" could have been created somewhere then they just say they found um, plus those digging sites are probs made up.

Plato2

Nerameshu

And according to the Bible, children born before the parents' wedlock are abominations. Am I an abomination?

Think carefully. I believe the real Bible is in us all, but that we need to find it. Theres no way God would leave something so crucial in the hands of man to change, omit, add in, or tweak for, um, I think 2000 OR SO YEARS!

Sejimaru

First of all Plato2, where in the bible does it say anything that swims in the sea but doesn't have fins or scales is an abomination? tell me so i can look it up, and if u didn't see that but heard it from someone, you shouldn't post it.

And no nera, u guys are using the word "abomination" to freely, having sex before marriage is a sin, but not an "abomination" plus a lot of people who did good things were probs born out of wed-lock, there are things God said are abominations but not pre-marital sex or children born from it.

And you are supposed to take the bible seriously, and i also know the bible has been edited, but some things in your heart you just know is right and some things you just know is wrong, so some things you don't need to see in the bible, God will reveal it to you personally.

Plato2

Fair enough, but you avoided the topic at hand. I didn't actually read it, but I was told it by a very reliable source. I was watching Jeopardy! and there was a whole category devoted to things that were abominations according to the bible. I can't really remember what book it was, but I think it was Genesis.

Kayko Sagouro

what exactly is the topic at hand? i realize you are debating the existence of dinosaurs, but are you really? think about it, all you have said so far seems to me like a cover so that you can debate whether or not the Bible/God is right or wrong. if that is indeed what the purpose of the thread is, then just say it. don't make up some idiotic cover story for fear of "offending someone" or something to that affect, because no matter what you say, someone isn't going to like it.

and besides, you guys are wasting your time on this anyway; it's obvious that you will never agree, simply because "your" opinion has been engraved into your mind for all you life, and nothing will change it until evidence comes to you in the form of something you would never doubt, whether "your" opinion be right or wrong.

also, if i used the wrong version of affect, please tell me, i have never really distinguished between the correct times to use them...

Plato2

Well, it's nice to have you back Kayko. I have been staying on topic by the way. If you go to my post where I quoted Mass, I spent most of my post defending the ideas Mass claimed were false. The last part was an old accusation I've made of him several times. And while I agree that some people wouldn't change their opinions if their lives depended on it, people can change their opinions. Your aren't born with opinions and they usually aren't part of who you are.

As for the affect/effect difference, I'm stumped. I'll ask my journalism teacher.

Nerameshu

Effect was the correct term, affect refers to if it will have an effect on the subject.

And why do you think I made this a new forum, Kakyo? (Is that the name that Thanos does not wish to speak?)

Oh, and my opinions haven't been engraved in me, at least not my religious opinions. They are things I have discovered myself.

Kayko Sagouro

you know what i mean. the things that you believe that won't change until you find proof ...

Plato2

If thats what you meant, then I agree with you. I didn't catch your meaning, sorry.

Kayko Sagouro

**sighs** i'm glad someone does...